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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:11 am | |
| Power Amp Komponen (dari saya): R1, R7 = 22k ; ⅛W R2, R6 = 1k ; ⅛W R3 = 220 ; ⅛W R4 = 560 ; ⅛W R5 = 10k ; ⅛W R8 = 100 ; ¼W R9, R10 = 1k5 ; ¼W R11 = 470 ; ¼W R12, R13 = 0R47 ; 2W R14 = 10 ; ½W C1 = 2u2 / 50V C2 = 1n / 63V C3 = 100p C4, C5 = 100u / 35V C6 = 220n / 63V C7, C8, C9 = 100n / 63V Q1, Q2, Q3 = BC549C Q4, Q6 = BD140 Q5 = BD139 Q7 = TIP41A/B/C Q8 = TIP42A/B/C D1 = IR LED D2, D3 = 1N4148 mari kita bahas/pelajari cara kerjanya....
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:14 am | |
| Power Supply AC = 220-0 Vac T1 = 5A, 220-0 : 18-0-18 (18Vct) BR = Dioda Bridge 10A C1~C4 = 4700uF / 35V | |
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indra_co_maniz Moderator
Jumlah posting : 10861 Join date : 2009-04-12 Lokasi : Tangerang - Jakarta,
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:58 am | |
| asyik 18VCT, kebetulan ada trafo yg ga kepake nih mumpung lagi ga sibuk wkakak, ngerjain yg ga ada kerjaa.. lanjut kang sue,... | |
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terry Ngejar Bintang 5
Jumlah posting : 948 Join date : 2009-10-27 Age : 48 Lokasi : karawang
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:07 pm | |
| ikutan nonton | |
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Nurus S Ngejar Bintang 5
Jumlah posting : 510 Join date : 2009-10-30 Age : 49 Lokasi : ponorogo- jawa timur
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:09 pm | |
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gwendy Moderator
Jumlah posting : 3023 Join date : 2009-06-28 Age : 52 Lokasi : Rantepao Tator Sulawesi Selatan
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:10 pm | |
| wkkk gainnya sama dengan GC 22/1. Q4 kebesaran cari yang tipe dibawahnya aja kayak B560. R6 Pake NTC.. sekian dulu dari saya.. | |
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indra_co_maniz Moderator
Jumlah posting : 10861 Join date : 2009-04-12 Lokasi : Tangerang - Jakarta,
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:14 pm | |
| D1 buat apaan yah ? | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:36 pm | |
| Wah gimana neh, malah pada liat aja, jangan ada yang rakit dulu, itu racikan saya (komponen & skema) belum tentu bagus suaranya walaupun saya yakin bakal jalan (tapi menurut saya kualitas high freq-nya lebih detail daripada yang biasa di pasaran)...
*maksud saya di bahas per fungsi dan penentuan komponen, misal HPF, LPF, CCS, miller, Slew Rate, Bootstrap, Emitter-Follower, Gain voltage, dll.dll.
D1 adalah IR LED, V_drop-nya (~1,2V) digunakan untuk V_ref (tegangan acuan) untuk bagian CCS (D1, R3, R5, Q3). saya pilih IR LED karena punya noise yang rendah (~lebih rendah dari zener biasa dan LED warna). jadi arus yang keluar di collector Q3 bisa lebih smooth (walaupun hanya secuil). nah, ini ntar ada hubungannya dengan (output) DC offset voltage ga? @gwendy: kenapa Q4 pakai Tr yang lebih kecil, berapa Power dissipation di Q4? hayo,,, saya ga tau nieh,,, hi hi hi
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crt Udah bintang 3 lho
Jumlah posting : 311 Join date : 2009-11-12 Lokasi : Surabaya
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:41 pm | |
| Memantau aja deh GAK MUDENG BLASS . bwahahahahahha | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:32 am | |
| wah, bener juga yak, dipikiran saya cuma -gimana cara nentuin komponen (kalkulasi) & relasinya. Mesti tau dulu neh, definisi dan konstruksi Power Amp (Class-AB) biar ga saling silang pembahasan dan perhitungannya. ayo yang paham dimulai... atau yang fasih menerjemahkan bahasa Inggris teknik, dengan menyadur dari sumber di luar (yg terpercaya)... OL dari HP, jempol saya bisa membekas abjad ABC123 neh kalo ngetik satu artikel dari HP... | |
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indra_co_maniz Moderator
Jumlah posting : 10861 Join date : 2009-04-12 Lokasi : Tangerang - Jakarta,
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:28 pm | |
| mirip OCL safari - Quote :
- @gwendy: kenapa Q4 pakai Tr yang lebih kecil, berapa Power dissipation di Q4? hayo,,, saya ga tau nieh,,, hi hi hi
iya pakai B560 atau B544 sudah cukup ( atau malah BC559C ) kalau TR itu biasanya hanya 1/10 s.d 1/20 dari TR ending kalau pakai BD139 keknya kebesaran untuk oCL biasa, sedangkan oCL safari 1/1 sama dengan drivernya (berarti nilai drivernya cocok)... ( pakai cara coba-coba aja ini jangan diikuti rumus pastinya masih diperpustakaan dan berbahasa inggris ) | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:03 pm | |
| yah, kira-kira...
kalau ga salah collector Q4 saya kasih arus dari bootstrap sekitar ~8,3mA. jadi power dissipation di Q4 sekitar 25V * 8,3mA = 207,5 mW, bener gak? kalau pakai Tr model TO-92 bisa gerah banget Pd segitu, kasihan (ga awet)... | |
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gwendy Moderator
Jumlah posting : 3023 Join date : 2009-06-28 Age : 52 Lokasi : Rantepao Tator Sulawesi Selatan
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:13 pm | |
| lebih baik dicoba, untuk OCL safari saja dengan suply lebih tinggi say pake BD139 gpp klu voltage 18 V dan R segitu bakalan gak apa apa menurut saya, kecuai dari depan sdh salah karena saya kurang setuju dengan pemakaian led untuk catu arus diffrensial, say lebih pilih 2 dioda diseri menggantikan led. | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:49 pm | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:50 pm | |
| - gwendy wrote:
- klu voltage 18 V dan R segitu bakalan gak apa apa
R yang mana gwen? - gwendy wrote:
- menurut saya, kecuai dari depan sdh salah karena saya kurang setuju dengan pemakaian led untuk catu arus diffrensial, say lebih pilih 2 dioda diseri menggantikan led.
alasan? | |
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gwendy Moderator
Jumlah posting : 3023 Join date : 2009-06-28 Age : 52 Lokasi : Rantepao Tator Sulawesi Selatan
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 am | |
| R 1k5 ( R9/10 ) R4. dioda led tdk stabil dan memberi lebih banyak noise kepada rangkaian. | |
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sue Solfers Sejati
Jumlah posting : 1159 Join date : 2009-07-24 Age : 37 Lokasi : Cilacap / Bandung
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:03 pm | |
| ada orang diyaudio ngukur noise, lumayan buat referensi.
Noise measurements for LEDs and zener diodes --------------------------------------------
(C) Christer at DiyAudio.com You are allowed to copy and use this information for your personal and non-commercial use.
DESCRIPTION OF TEST RIG -----------------------
The test rig uses three current sources of approx. 1, 5 and 20 mA built using low-noise BJTs (BC559) to feed the device under test (DUT) alternatingly. The noise was measured using two op amps in in non-inverting configuration cascaded, both having a gain of 34, making a gain of 1156 in total. The first op amp is a very-low-noise model (LT1115) and uses a gain resistor of only 10 Ohms in the feedback network. The gain resistor is thus 330 Ohms which works since the op amp is only expected to output very low-level signals. The second op amp is a low-noise type (NE5534) with gain and feedback resistors of 100 Ohms and 3.3 kOhms. The output was measured using a PC soundcard (Creative Audigy LS in 16-bit 44.1 kHz mode). Each measurement consists of a 10 second capture of the soundcard input and the RMS value for this 10 s. signal was computed. The program was calibrated (using a sine wave and an oscilloscope) to give aprroximately correct voltage readings and all measurements were divided by 1156 to give the equivalent input RMS noise at the first op amp, ie. at the DUT. No extra filters except what is on the soundcard were used.
TEST METHOD -----------
A spectrum of LED types ranging from IR to blue and of approximately the same type were measured. All LEDS were selected to have an max If of at least 20 mA, since this current was used in the test. Further four 0.5W types of zener diodes were tested, two of them (5.6 and 6.8 V) were deliberately selected close to each other but such that the 5.6 V diode should be expected to have true zener breakdown and the 6.8 V one to have avalanche breakdown. The other two were selected to be far away from this "transition region". Two 1.3W zeners were also tested to see how the power rating affects noise figures.
For each type of DUT, two devices (denoted #1 and #2 and presumably from the same batch) were tested at the three test currents 1, 5 and 20 mA and the equivalent noise at the DUT was measured and calculated as described above. For each combination of device and current, five 10-second measurements were made.
For reference, the voltage drop at each test current was also measured for one device of each type.
MEASUREMENTS ------------
All values are RMS values
Idle noise: ---------------------------------------------------- Measured idle noise of amplifier with grounded input: 0.19 0.19 0.19 0.19 0.18 uV (The theoretical max value was calculated to 0.16 uV for 20kHz bandwidth and 0.22 uB for 40 kHz bandwidth).
Measured idle noise of amplifier with 100 Ohm source resistor: 0.26 0.25 0.24 0.26 0.26 uV (The theoretical max value was calculated to 0.20 uV for 20kHz bandwidth and 0.28 uB for 40 kHz bandwidth).
LEDs: ---------------------------------------------------- (All LEDs of brand Everlight)
IR204/P1 (IR): #1 @ 1mA: 3.7 3.7 3.7 3.7 3.7 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.67 0.66 0.65 0.66 0.66 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.24 0.23 0.24 0.23 0.23 uV #2 @ 1mA: 3.8 3.8 3.7 3.7 3.7 uV (Vf = 1.05 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.65 0.64 0.64 0.64 0.64 uV (Vf = 1.11 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.24 0.25 0.23 0.24 0.22 uV (Vf = 1.17 V)
EL202HD (red): #1 @ 1mA: 0.31 0.32 0.31 0.31 0.32 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.26 0.26 0.27 0.27 0.27 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.39 0.36 0.37 0.36 0.37 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.39 0.37 0.38 0.38 0.35 uV (Vf = 1.82 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.32 0.30 0.30 0.30 0.31 uV (Vf = 1.89 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.41 0.40 0.41 0.41 0.46 uV (Vf = 2.09 V)
EL204ID (red-orange): #1 @ 1mA: 0.31 0.30 0.31 0.31 0.31 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.25 0.26 0.26 0.26 0.24 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.41 0.41 0.48 0.40 0.41 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.35 0.31 0.29 0.30 0.32 uV (Vf = 1.64 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.25 0.26 0.27 0.26 0.30 uV (Vf = 1.74 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.40 0.40 0.39 0.40 0.41 uV (Vf = 1.90 V)
EL204YD (yellow): #1 @ 1mA: 0.42 0.30 0.29 0.29 0.28 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.28 0.26 0.25 0.33 0.27 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.42 0.39 0.39 0.40 0.40 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.31 0.30 0.31 0.30 0.31 uV (Vf = 1.78 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.28 0.47 0.28 0.26 0.25 uV (Vf = 1.87 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.34 0.34 0.35 0.34 0.34 uV (Vf = 2.02 V)
EL204GD (green): #1 @ 1mA: 0.68 0.50 0.50 0.47 0.46 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.35 0.30 0.28 0.28 0.29 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.36 0.35 0.35 0.35 0.35 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.46 0.46 0.44 0.44 0.41 uV (Vf = 1.82 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.36 0.33 0.32 0.33 0.32 uV (Vf = 1.92 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.39 0.40 0.39 0.41 0.40 uV (Vf = 2.12 V)
EL204UBD (blue): #1 @ 1mA: 4.6 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.6 uV #1 @ 5mA: 3.2 3.2 3.2 3.2 3.2 uV #1 @ 20mA: 2.8 2.8 2.7 2.7 2.7 uV #2 @ 1mA: 4.4 4.4 4.3 4.2 4.3 uV (Vf = 3.26 V) #2 @ 5mA: 3.1 3.2 3.2 3.1 3.2 uV (Vf = 3.44 V) #2 @ 20mA: 2.9 2.8 2.8 2.8 2.7 uV (Vf = 3.69 V)
Zeners: --------------------------------------------------------- (All zeners of brand Temic.)
BZX55/C2V7 (0.5W 2.7V): #1 @ 1mA: 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1 uV #1 @ 5mA: 1.0 0.88 0.85 0.86 0.87 uV #1 @ 20mA: 1.0 0.81 0.72 0.72 1.1 uV #2 @ 1mA: 1.2 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1 uV (Vr = 2.03 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.91 0.88 0.87 0.86 0.85 uV (Vr = 2.50 V) #2 @ 20mA: 1.1 0.80 0.77 0.73 0.71 uV (Vr = 3.02 V)
BZX55/C5V6 (0.5W 5.6V): #1 @ 1mA: 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 uV #1 @ 5mA: 2.9 2.9 2.9 2.9 2.9 uV #1 @ 20mA: 1.7 1.6 1.6 1.6 1.6 uV #2 @ 1mA: 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 uV (Vr = 5.68 V) #2 @ 5mA: 2.9 2.9 2.9 2.9 2.9 uV (Vr = 5.77 V) #2 @ 20mA: 1.8 1.6 1.6 1.6 1.6 uV (Vr = 5.81 V)
BZX55/C6V8 (0.5W 6.8V): #1 @ 1mA: 16 16 16 16 16 uV #1 @ 5mA: 21 21 21 21 21 uV #1 @ 20mA: 5.8 5.5 5.5 5.5 5.6 uV #2 @ 1mA: 25 25 25 25 25 uV (Vr = 6.93 V) #2 @ 5mA: 13 13 13 13 13 uV (Vr = 6.96 V) #2 @ 20mA: 4.6 4.7 4.5 4.5 4.4 uV (Vr = 7.00 V) (Rechecked both devices due to their inconsistent behaviour for 1 and 5mA).
BZX55/C12 (0.5W 12V): #1 @ 1mA: 0.35 0.37 0.37 0.39 0.39 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.30 0.28 0.28 0.28 0.30 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.24 0.25 0.25 0.26 0.25 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.32 0.33 0.32 0.33 0.32 uV (Vr = 11.32 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.26 0.26 0.27 0.32 0.26 uV (Vr = 11.37 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.25 0.26 0.28 0.24 0.30 uV (vr = 11.42 V)
BZX85/C2V7 (1.3W 2.7V): #1 @ 1mA: 0.77 0.77 0.77 0.77 0.76 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.62 0.61 0.63 0.61 0.60 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.55 0.55 0.54 0.55 0.55 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.78 0.78 0.78 0.78 0.78 uV (Vr = 1.30 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.62 0.62 0.61 0.62 0.62 uV (Vr = 1.61 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.57 0.56 0.57 0.56 0.56 uV (Vr = 1.92 V)
BZX85/C12 (1.3W 12V): #1 @ 1mA: 0.49 0.53 0.48 0.50 0.52 uV #1 @ 5mA: 0.54 0.55 0.58 0.46 0.48 uV #1 @ 20mA: 0.44 0.35 0.38 0.36 0.33 uV #2 @ 1mA: 0.42 0.43 0.46 0.48 0.41 uV (Vr = 9.84 V) #2 @ 5mA: 0.40 0.35 0.35 0.37 0.29 uV (Vr = 9.89 V) #2 @ 20mA: 0.34 0.33 0.31 0.30 0.31 uV (Vr = 9.94 V)
----------------- #1 @ 1mA: #1 @ 5mA: #1 @ 20mA: #2 @ 1mA: #2 @ 5mA: #2 @ 20mA: | |
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terry Ngejar Bintang 5
Jumlah posting : 948 Join date : 2009-10-27 Age : 48 Lokasi : karawang
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gwendy Moderator
Jumlah posting : 3023 Join date : 2009-06-28 Age : 52 Lokasi : Rantepao Tator Sulawesi Selatan
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:06 pm | |
| disana gak ukur dioda 4148 yah | |
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indra_co_maniz Moderator
Jumlah posting : 10861 Join date : 2009-04-12 Lokasi : Tangerang - Jakarta,
| Subject: Re: Class-AB Power Amp Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:10 pm | |
| mungkin ga ada yang jual kali kang gwendy 1N4001 s.d 1N4009 juga ga ada.. | |
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